tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post4250206224330353785..comments2023-12-19T16:54:31.953-05:00Comments on SOUTH BRONX SCHOOL: E4E's Evan Stone Yet Again Exposes HimselfPete Zuckerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16708676684946013529noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-31331421159343293272011-09-29T16:57:00.276-04:002011-09-29T16:57:00.276-04:00I think when you calculated the percentages, you f...I think when you calculated the percentages, you forgot to multiply by 100. If 3,000 out of 76,000 NYC teachers are a part of E4E, the percentage would be closer to 4%, not .04%. Still a small percentage of teachers, and 3,000 is still a highly inflated number, but not as tiny as the percentages you reported.Fitznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-20175306655823191232011-09-25T11:34:21.211-04:002011-09-25T11:34:21.211-04:00Norm
keep up the great work with what you are doi...Norm <br />keep up the great work with what you are doing. The Grundfest's of this world will do what they do best COMPLAIN.<br />Bill you are wrong on every point and truthfully I don't want to convince you otherwise.<br />So do what you do best yell, scream and threaten no one is listening to you. It not like stand up comedy we don't have to listen. <br />Besides not being funny ITs wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-91188925792243420862011-09-25T10:01:40.393-04:002011-09-25T10:01:40.393-04:00Actually it's Norm. We stood up against the lo...Actually it's Norm. We stood up against the local school boards in the 70's despite threats to our careers and we stood up to the union - same deal. Many of us Real Reformers who oppose the ed deform agenda have creds. WE were dedicated teachers who fought for our students and their parents' rights. And nothing has changed. Except that I'm one of the only ones left from the old gen but love working with "kids" half my age doing today what we did in those years. Every one a GREAT teacher. So one has to ask themself - why are these great teachers so opposed to ed deform and fighting like hell to not only defend children but themselves from attack for doing so? Yes, tenure and LIFO gives them some protection and cover. These policies are not one eay streets to dedend lousy teachers - believe me if they had power they would not toletate bad teachers.ed notes onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-79446501568722364942011-09-25T09:24:58.624-04:002011-09-25T09:24:58.624-04:00Ed
GREAT ANSWER and Im with you.
You make so muc...Ed <br />GREAT ANSWER and Im with you. <br />You make so much sense without the crazy stuff.<br />I was there in Brooklyn doing what you were doing at the same time.<br />I am for real reform and not for the destruction of a system that should undergo change.Careful change with a great deal of thought as to what it will do to the children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-44287499576664317822011-09-25T09:04:37.443-04:002011-09-25T09:04:37.443-04:00Ahhhhhhhhh, Grundfest,
How noble you are in your ...Ahhhhhhhhh, Grundfest,<br /><br />How noble you are in your fight for the poor children that have been oppressed by the evil teachers. I see you were once based in New York City. <br /><br />I'm wondering where you were all those years from the late 60's through the late 90's when I was teaching inner city elementary school kids in Brooklyn? Never noticed you at the funerals, prison visits and yes, weddings, graduations, former students becoming teachers and other successes I saw many of my students reach. <br /><br />All of a sudden you've got education religion? <br /><br />But I actually do respect some of the things you say. I also fought my union for the last 40 years but in a different way trying to get them to join in the struggles to unite with parents in the community and to defend attacks on class size (dirty words to you ed deformers). <br /><br />School choice? How about making every local neighborhood? Tell us about the choices the people in the white suburbs have other than their neighborhood school? <br /><br />Ahhhhhh, choice - without power to control their schools - ask why charter schools which funnel so much money to charter management orgs try to stop the existence of PTAs - we had to pass a law in NY foricng them to - like white suburbans - is the lot ed deformers have reserved for people of color in the inner cities. Bill Gates - and you - will decide what's good for them. The civil rights issue of my time- what a joke!<br /><br />You see, the real civil rights issue is that very battle - for community control of schools - which horrify ed deformers because they like to give all the power to one guy - a mayor who they can control.<br /><br />Now if you say that the unions are against mayoral control and people controlling their own schools in big cities you would be correct and if you attacked them for that I would cheer for you. <br /><br />Here in NYC we have seem the UFT aid and abet handing total control over to the mayor and I urge you to watch the upcoming battle here and watch what posiitions we Real Reformers in the Grassroots Education Movement (GEM), NYCoalition of Radical Educators (NYCORE) and Teachers Unite take as we push for social justice unionism - while totally opposing the program you put forth.<br /><br />You might ask why these young (except for me) socially conscious teachers, some without tenure yet, are putting themselves on the line to battle ed deform? <br /><br />You might also want to see the movie we in GEM made in response to Waiting for Superman which we are calling The Inconvenient Truth Behind Waiting for Superman, an inconvenient truth you might not want to face. But I will send you a copy if you can stand seeing parents and teachers present the case for real reform.ed notes onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-25644748624424017262011-09-25T08:16:15.629-04:002011-09-25T08:16:15.629-04:00Sorry if i missed spelled some words....the song h...Sorry if i missed spelled some words....the song have lots of ummmmm "Hard" words....so yah ..just sayin...Enjoy!!!!!!<br /><br />Edwin Starr- War (Lyrics)<br /><br />War, huh, yeah<br />What is it good for?<br />Absolutely nothing<br />Uh-huh<br />War, huh, yeah<br />What is it good for?<br />Absolutely nothing<br />Say it again, y'all<br /><br />War, huh, good God<br />What is it good for?<br />Absolutely nothing<br />Listen to me<br /><br />Ohhh, war, I despise<br />Because it means destruction<br />Of innocent lives<br /><br />War means tears<br />To thousands of mothers eyes<br />When their sons go to fight<br />And lose their lives<br /><br />I said, war, huh<br />Good God, y'all<br />What is it good for?<br />Absolutely nothing<br />Say it again<br /><br />War, whoa, Lord<br />What is it good for?<br />Absolutely nothing<br />Listen to me<br /><br />War, it ain't nothing<br />But a heartbreaker<br />War, friend only to the undertaker<br />Ooooh, war<br />It's an enemy to all mankind<br />The point of war blows my mind<br /><br />War has caused unrest<br />Within the younger generation<br />Induction then destruction<br />Who wants to die<br /><br />Aaaaah, war-huh<br />Good God y'all<br />What is it good for?<br />Absolutely nothing<br />Say it, say it, say it<br /><br />War, huh, yeah<br />What is it good for?<br />Absolutely nothing<br />Listen to me<br /><br />War, it ain't nothing but a heartbreaker<br />War, it's got one friend<br />That's the undertaker<br /><br />Ooooh, war, has shattered<br />Many a young mans dreams<br />Made him disabled, bitter and mean<br />Life is much to short and precious<br />To spend fighting wars these days<br />War can't give life<br />It can only take it away<br /><br />Ooooh, war, huh<br />Good God y'all<br />What is it good for?<br />Absolutely nothing<br />Say it again<br /><br />War, whoa, Lord<br />What is it good for?<br /><br />Absolutely nothing<br />Listen to me<br /><br />War, it ain't nothing but a heartbreaker<br />War, friend only to the undertaker<br />Peace, love and understanding<br />Tell me, is there no place for them today<br />They say we must fight to keep our freedom<br />But Lord knows there's got to be a better way<br /><br />Ooooooh, war, huh<br />Good God y'all<br />What is it good for?<br />You tell me<br />Say it, say it, say it, say it<br /><br />War, huh<br />Good God y'all<br />What is it good for?<br />Stand up and shout it<br />Nothing<br /><br /><br />It's good for vouchers and your view of civil rights.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-77830074899910637742011-09-25T02:50:24.464-04:002011-09-25T02:50:24.464-04:00Ahhh Ed Notes Online...
1. "WHEN the poorest ...Ahhh Ed Notes Online...<br />1. "WHEN the poorest children have no choice...?" They have no choice NOW - I'm the one who wants to give them choice - school choice. I'm not even saying the V word (vouchers, but that's where many other states have gone and where California will go too - and soon - if you guys don't stop killing all reform). IT's YOU GUYS who want to keep the poor from choice of school. You want them to stay enslaved to their local schools no matter how crummy they are - NOT because you'll lose jobs - you won't, we'll still need the same number of teachers - no, it's much worse than that - you want to save the jobs of THESE particular teachers. Regardless of merit. I WANT MORE TEACHERS. But good and effective ones - even - horrors - those without seniority, as I don't give a rats butt who has seniority, just who can teach best. Keep it up - VOUCHERS are next. <br />2. "Everything based on them [my positions] is failing?"<br />I'm always pelted here with arguments like "hey Mr. Hates Govt Monopolies Like The Public Ed System - would you charterize the police?" No. Because the police are effective. Crime is way down! Yet LAPD faces the exact same "demographic/esl/parents-stink" issues that UTLA does. And they used to make the same excuses UTLA still makes - hey, wadaya want from us? Poverty, demographics, ESL, parents, etc... but LAPD REFORMED - as a result of intense public bashing - the kind you guys are currently getting. Many of the cops said EXACTLY what you guys say now "hey - YOU try being a cop (teacher) for a day"... until reform massively changed the way policing is done. Poverty (and the other excuses UTLA uses) has risen yet crime is down. So no - nobody wants to find an alternative to the LAPD, because they are effective. The LAUSD and UTLA are NOT effective (for the kids... for those whose jobs UTLA protects, they are dandy).<br />So who is on the side of the kids here - you guys or me?<br />Your buddy,<br />Bill Grundfest<br />By the way, am I supposed to be upset that I did not write "Bridge...?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-7575952182277168902011-09-24T21:16:37.236-04:002011-09-24T21:16:37.236-04:00Ahhh, Grundfest, I get high when you talk dirty to...Ahhh, Grundfest, I get high when you talk dirty to us.<br /><br />So why are your positions wrong? Everything based on them is failing and where they haven't failed they will. One day when there is no public school system and the poorest people will have no choice you will quote Colonel Nicholson from Bridge on the River Quai, which apparently you did not write, and say, "What have I done?"ed notes onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-84052941680079690502011-09-24T14:32:18.043-04:002011-09-24T14:32:18.043-04:00Ok the ass belongs to the horse so its the horse&#...Ok the ass belongs to the horse so its the horse's ass. Everytime you speak it shows where your coming from. You keep speaking about the evaluations the state did it, read the newspaper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-64267765387383153152011-09-24T13:12:51.808-04:002011-09-24T13:12:51.808-04:00Part Deux: Instead of calling me names, could SOME...Part Deux: Instead of calling me names, could SOMEbody please just explain why my positions are wrong?<br />Your pal,<br />Billy GrundfestAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-73216901331716344392011-09-24T12:59:33.265-04:002011-09-24T12:59:33.265-04:00OK, here's the remedial course:
1. It's &...OK, here's the remedial course: <br />1. It's "you're", not "your".<br />2. If you could read you'd see that I say explicitly it's not my intent to be funny ON THIS BLOG - there is nothing funny about this subject.<br />3. I intend to come here to speak to the horse mouth (though I fear I'm speaking to the other end of the horse - oopsie, that was almost funny... sorry)<br />4. If I am to be remembered for anything, then yes, being remembered for taking the fight for the central civil rights issue - education - directly to the people who are preventing it because they want to protect the jobs of the incompetent rather than the futures of my children, then I am PROUD to be remembered for that.<br />5. I did not "fail gym," but I did not do well in it (again, that was almost funny - mea culpa)<br />6. You guys are uch gutless wonders you only want to preach to the choir and only hear from people who agree with you - oooo, such couuuurrraaggee... I, however am eager to go into this lions den and tell you that you are on the wrong side of history.<br />7. You keep using th word "bitter" - I prefer "unbelieveably pissed off, and fighting for the kids - mine and others." <br />8. I still keep getting called a shill for Gates - when I point out that I make no money from this fight, and YOU GUYS DO, then you shift and it's not money but it's attention I'm after. Golly - what happened to the critical thinking you guys are supposed to teach - it would be groovy to see you USE some.<br />9. Yes, it's a war - that you guys started. Don't holler when the people you are misserving rise up. Arab Spring, baby!<br />Other than that, I think we are really starting to build a warm, fuzzy bridge here, don't you?<br />Bill GrundfestAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-69970257989374809802011-09-24T11:10:49.009-04:002011-09-24T11:10:49.009-04:00Bill G
Your not funny.
Your not informed
You nee...Bill G <br /><br />Your not funny.<br />Your not informed<br />You need a checkup from the neckupAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-88371473721412113122011-09-24T10:59:31.446-04:002011-09-24T10:59:31.446-04:00You must have failed gym to be so bitter about thi...You must have failed gym to be so bitter about this subject.Do you have a life or is this what you want to be remembered for?<br />Who is the party of no? You are if you have so many things to do but you wind up here foaming at the mouth and saying things that aren't true. You have no idea about what it takes to educate effectively. Get a life!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-81737357841606308272011-09-24T09:54:57.112-04:002011-09-24T09:54:57.112-04:00Your a shill for the attention it gets you. You s...Your a shill for the attention it gets you. You set yourself up but it's not about the money but if you could you would work for Gates. <br />It's war and that's your words. your really not funny at all just very sick and the whole thing about evaluations on your part isn't true there has always been a system in place it's just that administrators never did their jobs. <br />Set out some bait and the big fish bites.<br />Your a bully you do the same thing a third grader does when it doesn't go your way you lose it. Good job SlumfestAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-75316705013045831342011-09-24T00:50:03.497-04:002011-09-24T00:50:03.497-04:00Part Deux. And re "some writer with a hidden ...Part Deux. And re "some writer with a hidden agenda being a shill for Gates, it's all about rhe money" that is barely coherent drivel. What's my HIDDEN agenda? It's not hidden! I want the end of tenure, objective evals, school choice - in other words I want kids to be educated effectively. Where the "hidden"? It's about "money"? Where am I making any money off this? I should be asleep right now. For YOU GUYS it's about the money. I WISH I was a shill for Gates, it probably pays delightfully. <br />Your Opposition,<br />Bill GrundfestAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-79552369402616179732011-09-24T00:46:47.454-04:002011-09-24T00:46:47.454-04:00No, I guess I have to write this in really small w...No, I guess I have to write this in really small words so you all understand. I "never got tenure?" HAHAHAHA - There IS NO TENURE, in Hollywood there IS NO JOB SECURITY - you get fired whenever the boss wants to fire you. Period. Yes, it's true that I have been "reduced" to writing reactions to this blog - you're right - maybe I shpould do what you all want parents to do - shut up. You guys do not want parents involved - just look at the recent Connecticut AFT scandal - where the AFT acidentally posted their powerpoint on how they were manipulated the parents into thinking they had input and the goal was to do anything but. Bitter? You can't throw generation upon generation of kids on the pyre of job security and expect ANYTHING except bitterness - and there'seven more that is coming your way. YOu guys started this war, you guys refuse ANY eval, ANY reform (deform) - you are the TRUE "party of no", not the Republicans. And yes, I used to be funny, and in other places I am told I still am - but not here, not about htis not now. And PLEASE stop with the "you try teahcing and tell us how easy it is" nonsense... so what, we should just trust you guys because you're doing such a great job. Now THAT's funny.<br />Bill Whatamidoingslumminghere GrundfestAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-87244731699535320272011-09-20T11:22:34.634-04:002011-09-20T11:22:34.634-04:00Stand up comedian and writing instructor.
Were yo...Stand up comedian and writing instructor. <br />Were you ever evaluated in your teaching classes?<br />My quess was never.<br />Thats why you never got tenure and thats why your so bitter and jealous and spend your day putting down the teaching profession. Shame on you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-62729062029943447402011-09-20T10:57:23.546-04:002011-09-20T10:57:23.546-04:00Thats whats important and not some writer with a h...Thats whats important and not some writer with a hidden agenda. They are shills for Gates and Klein and its all about the money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-80703871142802900102011-09-20T10:22:03.940-04:002011-09-20T10:22:03.940-04:00Hard to believe that there is any kind of debate o...Hard to believe that there is any kind of debate on the validity of Morris and Stone of E4E-they are two people who have together taught a total of LESS THAN SIX YEARS!! They somehow have morphed themselves into being a voice for Ed Reform-Are we all blind?!?!?!?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-81646556489228640242011-09-20T10:03:03.876-04:002011-09-20T10:03:03.876-04:00Writers don't get tenure? Have you watched Sat...Writers don't get tenure? Have you watched Sat Nite Live over the last 20 years? Maybe it's not tenure but dirty pictures of someone. Didn't Grunfest used to be funny? How pathetic he is reduced to writing comments on this blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-49461883079264659102011-09-20T09:55:09.069-04:002011-09-20T09:55:09.069-04:00Hey Bill
Your using your ability to write to bully...Hey Bill<br />Your using your ability to write to bully this group. The parent trigger your kidding. Get out of the way my god get a life! A war and that's your words. <br />It's about kids and learning it's not about a very bitter person who has no idea what's really going on. It's a very imperfect system that needs constant review to make it work better. Your approach only does much more harm then good.<br />You want a war, all we want is to do our jobs and produce productive people with a fair system of evaluationsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-69826677664762979282011-09-20T08:41:10.551-04:002011-09-20T08:41:10.551-04:00The Unions made this war. How did they do that? Th...The Unions made this war. How did they do that? There is a new evaluation system that was just put into place.Why is it that in places where the union, the teachers and the parents work together none of this is going on? I worked for 45 years as a teacher and I saw some bad teachers and most if not all never lasted because I had administrators who for the most part did their jobs.<br />You give the union so much credit but truthfully it is not what it used to be.<br />Why don't you spend some time working in a school and seeing what a day is like in the life of a teacher.Your post shows that you are a bitter person who really doesn't understand the system.You can take back the system but what exactly are you going to do with it?<br />Smart people are leaving in large numbers and leaving the teaching to recent graduates who can't get jobs in their chosen fields.This is what you want cheap teachers who will move in a year or two or they will get jobs in suburban districts where the system works.It doesn't work in the city because of people like you who spend your life bitter at a system you don't understand. Keep up your attacks on the teachers the evaluation system but you will never get to the root of the problem. Its people like you who constantly point fingers in the wrong place.<br />Wake up, there is a new evaluation system lets see if this solves the problem.<br />You know the answer it will not do a thing. <br />Your a writer try teaching a class where most of the students can't write. Try it and then have an administrator come in and tell you its your fault that they can't write. What now? Does that solve the problem or just make it worse? <br />Sure the union the teachers the parents, society, the school all are part of the problem but what is the answer. It certainly isn't the evaluations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-5857190015769328672011-09-20T07:08:39.462-04:002011-09-20T07:08:39.462-04:00As an outsider, I do see why people outside the ed...As an outsider, I do see why people outside the education community don't get it. It does seem like the new state model is more acceptable, but if tests alone are not a fair measure and principals are not qualified as teachers then the system is not ready to judge teachers fairly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-81383391560937720872011-09-20T00:43:08.259-04:002011-09-20T00:43:08.259-04:00and if it must be explained as to why comparing pu...and if it must be explained as to why comparing public education to police/fire/army, it's because those things actually work well - crime is down, fires get put out, countries get expertly invaded whether they needed to be or not... public ed? we've slipped to 17 and 24 in the world, and all you guys offer is excuses. Fire/police/army NEVER offer excuses - they just find a way to get results. I'll pause for you to write "But... and fill it in with excuses " ie: the parents don't care; teachers are NOT the most important aspect of ed so you can't blame us; teachers ARE the most important part and should be treated like that; demographics, poverty, TV, MTV - I'm exhausted from the list. The PROOF is that there are enough teachers doing great work right next to a teacher who sucks - with the same exact demographics/parent population etc. We're the parents - the ed system BELONGS TO US, not to the unions, and we are in process of showing you all exactly that. The unions made this a war, we've just begun to fight back. For our KIDS - not our jobs. And still nobody wants to suggest a method of evaluating teachers. Hmmm...<br />Bill GAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515738343772337569.post-24641103546275622412011-09-19T20:18:47.419-04:002011-09-19T20:18:47.419-04:001. Trying to compare charter schools with "ch...1. Trying to compare charter schools with "chartering" the police/fire/army is just dumb.<br />2. Everybody here is proving my pint - you don't want any evaluation - hey I'd like to live in PixieDust-Fairyland too - but for the sake of my kids I need to have all services evaluated - including schools and teachers. <br />3. NOBODY here is saying why teachers should get tenure when nobody in the real world does.<br />The SILENCE on these topics speaks volumes.<br />The Parent Trigger is coming, lead, follow or get out of the way.<br />Bill Grundfest<br />ps the writers guild does NOT grant tenure, or job security of any kind, so why don't you read something before having an opinion about it? oopsie that would require you to read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com